Fitness

[Matt S]

Smoking is unhealthy. But fucking awesome. Plus seeing as everyone is now obsessed with weight loss. Smoking helps you lose weight. The amount of nicotine in a cigarette speeds up your metabolic rate a few percent for about half an hour. My advice-smoke every half an hour.

[BennytheBigDog]

I agree it's good for losing weight but I'm playing the long game by giving it up. First day in, no slip ups, offered about a thousand fags at work, put the sheeny curse on all of em cos I'm descended from gypos and I can do that.

In unrelated news, I bought my brother a nerf gun for his birthday. It's fucking awesome, you can seriously never grow out of sumat that cool.

[spoon_of_grimbo]

i got my little cousin a nerf gun for christmas, and got shot in the bollocks with foam darts for my troubles.

[nonamethanks]

The standard western diet is a disgrace, I don't think most people would recommend it.

Also, a slight reservation I have about your high fat theory is when it is combined with exercise, periods of anaerobic in particular, due to Anerobic pushing and in some parts making lacerations in your veins and arteries, to then have a high amount of fat circulating through those areas which can get clogged into those lacerations is not good for health or performance.

Basically, I am not an athlete by any stretch of the imagination, I do consider myself to be athletic though and for the sports I am involved in, I highly doubt any of them have a high fat-low carb approach, and since some of these people I look up to are world champions in their field I tend to imagine their approach good so is something I tailor/scale to my own needs as I obviously don't work as hard or spend nearly as much time on my body as they do.

I also do lose and maintain my weight and fitness on such a diet.

In terms of a standard western diet I meant in terms of macronutrients ie a high percentage of carbohydrates. If you are eating less carbs than average (55%+ of total calories) then you are already on a somewhat low carb diet.

Saying that you follow the nutrition of world sports champions is fine, but then saying that another approach wouldn't work for you, based on that doesn't make sense. Just because one way works, doesn't mean any other way won't work and it certainly doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for "everyone in this thread".

I don't know about the whole making lacerations in your arteries thing - do you have a link? - but tearing your arteries doesn't sound too good in the first place

Smoking is unhealthy. But fucking awesome. Plus seeing as everyone is now obsessed with weight loss. Smoking helps you lose weight. The amount of nicotine in a cigarette speeds up your metabolic rate a few percent for about half an hour. My advice-smoke every half an hour.

Don't be silly. I know smokers who have run marathons, therefore smoking is healthy.

[Matt S]

I'm convinced. I'm going to continue smoking.

[nonamethanks]

I took it up based on the strength of that evidence. I am now looking into meth as a fat burner. Do you know any meth users who have run marathons? This would help my decision on whether it's healthy or not.

[Matt S]

I don't understand the facetious dig you're trying to take here?

[nonamethanks]

Following on from your smoking advice I thought I'd join the take the piss brigade. Recently when I said being overweight was unhealthy i was told that it wasn't because there are some fat people who run marathons.

[Ruin]

Guys I'm curious to see your views on diet soft drinks and weight loss.
I've read a lot of studies online that suggest that diet drinks actually make you gain weight as aposed to lose them, but from what I gather they're suggesting that you gain weight through the lack of self control the average drinker of diet has and the hunger that it creates.

[<3]

Following on from your smoking advice I thought I'd join the take the piss brigade. Recently when I said being overweight was unhealthy i was told that it wasn't because there are some fat people who run marathons.

Sumo wrestlers are sportsmen and they're massive. Definitely not unhealthy to be fat, and anyone who agrees is definitely not just taking the piss.

Guys I'm curious to see your views on diet soft drinks and weight loss.
I've read a lot of studies online that suggest that diet drinks actually make you gain weight as aposed to lose them, but from what I gather they're suggesting that you gain weight through the lack of self control the average drinker of diet has and the hunger that it creates.

In Coke and Orange Juice there are approx 43 calories in each 100ml. So a pint of coke in a pub would set you back 220 calories. That's quite a few calories for effectively no intake of anything else. Compared to 3 calories in a pint of diet coke anyway.

If you simply swap out coke for diet coke you aren't going to gain weight as a result. You might still be a greedy cunt who eats too much but it's unrelated to the coke.

[Matt S]

The argument for diet drinks is that because of the lack of sugar, they don't actually give anything for your body to process and make you feel hungry again straight after. But I wouldn't worry about that. Only should be an issue if you're diabetic or something. You're not gonna become a fat bastard by drinking coke.

In regards to the smoking thing, I was completely and one hundred percent joking. I thought everyone would get that.

[Ruin]

Following on from your smoking advice I thought I'd join the take the piss brigade. Recently when I said being overweight was unhealthy i was told that it wasn't because there are some fat people who run marathons.

Sumo wrestlers are sportsmen and they're massive. Definitely not unhealthy to be fat, and anyone who agrees is definitely not just taking the piss.

Guys I'm curious to see your views on diet soft drinks and weight loss.
I've read a lot of studies online that suggest that diet drinks actually make you gain weight as aposed to lose them, but from what I gather they're suggesting that you gain weight through the lack of self control the average drinker of diet has and the hunger that it creates.

In Coke and Orange Juice there are approx 43 calories in each 100ml. So a pint of coke in a pub would set you back 220 calories. That's quite a few calories for effectively no intake of anything else. Compared to 3 calories in a pint of diet coke anyway.

If you simply swap out coke for diet coke you aren't going to gain weight as a result. You might still be a greedy cunt who eats too much but it's unrelated to the coke.

Yeah thats exactly what I thought, it's an odd arguement to make isn't it, you can't blame the diet for that.

[yeah and what]

Aren't the additives in diet drinks far worse for your stomach also?

[Ruin]

Yeah APPARENTLY links to stomach cancer and heart attacks, but I'm yet to see any actual proof or evidence to suggest it, just seems like speculative theory at the moment.

[nonamethanks]

In regards to the smoking thing, I was completely and one hundred percent joking. I thought everyone would get that.

Of course I knew you were joking, or "facetious" as you'd put it. Same as I was joking about meth.

[nonamethanks]

Oh man.

Saying someone is fat because they're a greedy cunt/eat too much isn't much different to answering the question "Why is Jimmy an alcoholic?" with "because he drinks too much", or answering "why is this room so crowded?" with "because loads of people came in". It tells you nothing.

Even with that aside, weight gain isn't as simple as that. The people who are so virtuous about being a normal weight usually don't monitor their calorie intake so I'd love to know how they get it so precise. Just don't eat like a greedy cunt? Well, eating just 50 calories above your maintenance (which is hardly anything) would mean you would put on an average of over 5lbs per year (going by the good old calories in calories out approach). In your 20s, you'd put on 52lbs. That's nearly 4st of fat from an excess of just 50 calories a day. What a greedy cunt.

[yeah and what]

Yeah APPARENTLY links to stomach cancer and heart attacks, but I'm yet to see any actual proof or evidence to suggest it, just seems like speculative theory at the moment.

They're more acidic aren't they? Not saying that this is better or worse for your internal organs but I would probably guess it would do more damage if I was put on the spot.

[Ruin]

Yeah APPARENTLY links to stomach cancer and heart attacks, but I'm yet to see any actual proof or evidence to suggest it, just seems like speculative theory at the moment.

They're more acidic aren't they? Not saying that this is better or worse for your internal organs but I would probably guess it would do more damage if I was put on the spot.

Oh yeah I'm not suggesting they're not bad for you, but I don't think it's as severe as that or there would be a lot more hype about it.

[<3]

Oh man.

Saying someone is fat because they're a greedy cunt/eat too much isn't much different to answering the question "Why is Jimmy an alcoholic?" with "because he drinks too much", or answering "why is this room so crowded?" with "because loads of people came in". It tells you nothing.

Even with that aside, weight gain isn't as simple as that. The people who are so virtuous about being a normal weight usually don't monitor their calorie intake so I'd love to know how they get it so precise. Just don't eat like a greedy cunt? Well, eating just 50 calories above your maintenance (which is hardly anything) would mean you would put on an average of over 5lbs per year (going by the good old calories in calories out approach). In your 20s, you'd put on 52lbs. That's nearly 4st of fat from an excess of just 50 calories a day. What a greedy cunt.

And once you notice you start putting a bit of weight on you can be less greedy. Sorry if I hit a raw nerve.

[<3]

Oh, I forgot to account for people that have glandular problems, people who aren't fat but cuddly and people who aren't overweight they just enjoy radical diets.

[<3]

There is a woman that lives in our road and she's fucking massive. I said she was fat because she was eating two ice creams at once and I was told by my wife to not be nasty as she might have a medical condition. As far as I can see, the only medical condition she has is that her arsehole is smaller than her mouth.

[nonamethanks]

Guys I'm curious to see your views on diet soft drinks and weight loss.
I've read a lot of studies online that suggest that diet drinks actually make you gain weight as aposed to lose them, but from what I gather they're suggesting that you gain weight through the lack of self control the average drinker of diet has and the hunger that it creates.

The only thing I'd add as a direct consequence of drinking diet drinks is that in some people (and I believe they're in the minority) it can stimulate and suppress the same hormones that real sugar does - hormones that control appetite and satiety. So if you're one of those people the diet drinks can directly make you hungrier and make you (want to) eat more.

I've a lot of interest in this because I've found that if I drink diet coke instead of water my weight loss slows even when I eat the exact same amount. My weight loss doesn't stop and I certainly don't gain weight though. The only explanation I've been able to find for this is that your body needs water to burn fat, and drinking so much coke left me dehydrated (I'm guessing) and therefore my body wasn't as efficient at burning fat. I've come across very few other people who've had this problem though so it's a weird one. It's best to just try drinking diet drinks vs water and see if there is any difference.

But like you said, the studies that have been done don't really comment on a direct weight gain effect of diet drinks, it's usually by association like eating more. Or they'll do a study where they'll take a group of people who drink a lot of diet drinks and compare them with a group of people who drink mostly water and find that the diet drinks people weigh more on average than the water people. That's just BS (bad science ) if you want to conclude "drinking diet drinks makes you fat". But usually these studies will only offer explanations like... the people who drink soft drinks tend to do so when they are eating food from McDonalds, or the people who drink mostly water are more health conscious in general, eating more healthy and are more active.

I certainly don't think it could be possible to gain weight if you start drinking diet drinks instead of the regular ones, if everything else is constant, and I'd be very surprised to see a study that said different.

[nonamethanks]

And once you notice you start putting a bit of weight on you can be less greedy. Sorry if I hit a raw nerve.

No seriously, congratulations for getting your calorie intake to exactly match your resting metabolic rate + daily activity every single day.

When you eat, you don't eat until you're satisfied like those greedy cunts, you eat until you reach your allowed calorie count for that meal. Bravo.

[Matt S]

It's not as simple as that though? I'm really trying not to continue all the pointless arguments in this thread and get back to talking about tanking up, BUT I eat at least 3/4000 calories a day and I don't gain weight.

[nonamethanks]

It's not as simple as that though? I'm really trying not to continue all the pointless arguments in this thread and get back to talking about tanking up, BUT I eat at least 3/4000 calories a day and I don't gain weight.

That's exactly what I'm saying. My boyfriend eats shitloads too and is dead skinny. He eats what he wants, when he wants and in the amounts he wants and never gains weight. But he doesn't feel in some way "better" than over-weight people because he is able to control his weight cos really his weight has got fuck all to do with his character or anything he consciously does or doesn't do. My problem is with people who come across as virtuous over their "normal" weight and try to make over-weight people feel like shit by calling them greedy cunts. It's really really really not as simple as that. My replies to <3 were sarcasm.